"Memorabilia" question

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"Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:53 am

Also, while going thru my old stuff here at the house, I rediscovered a few items that I have questions about. My question is, are these things that it's okay to have in my possession? They are "leftovers" from my flying days, and so I ended up with them as "excess memorabilia" from those years. The reason I'm asking this now, is so that I can either continue to hold on to them (that's my preference) or dispose of them properly. Remember that I was never being "malicious" in holding on to this stuff . . . rather, I inherited a "packrat" mentality from my grandfolks, and that is what has happened here.

Here's a shortlist:

E-3 Surveillance Positional Handbook, circa 1997
E-3 T.O., circa 1997
E-3 WD and Surveillance checklists, circa 1997
Several "intercept" photos taken in Iceland, latest is 1985 or 1986

Two of the seven photos I have are marked "FOUO" on the back, so I'm assuming that I cannot email those to my online simulated ATC buddies or post them on our simulated ATC website, correct? Also, one is a "composite" photo with the Iceland patches printed on them, a description of the Bear being escorted, and the title of the Icelandic Commander at the bottom . . . though it's not marked "FOUO", I'm assuming that it is. The other 5 photos are not marked "FOUO" in any way but I assume that they are to be considered "FOUO" and thus cannot be disseminated in the manners I mentioned.

Please advise, I don't ever want to be "in the wrong" about possession of these items or dissemination of these photos as I've mentioned above. So, I'm asking that question here for your input.

Thanks in advance for your advice, just trying to ensure I do the right thing here. Since I retired in 1997, I've always wondered, in the back of my mind, about this stuff. But I've never, until now, actually asked the question.

Cheers!

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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by bully » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:19 am

Hi Dago!

Well...looking back at my years flying on the NATO E-3A, I would assume that everything you did not have to sign for and is marked "Unclassified" you can legally hold on to.
The Checklsits etc. were NATO Unclassified back then, even the Handbooks, as all the really interesting stuff was locked away and had to be signed out and returned at the end of the day...

Correct me if I am wrong...

By the way...what does FOUO mean?

EDIT by Bully: Never mind...it means "For Official Use Only"



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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:31 am

Yes, it is just the basic "pubs set" issued to each of us that we had to maintain with changes, etc. thru the years. the T.O., positional handbook, checklists and the 55-3 docs. I also "packratted away" ALL my training stuff from day 1 at my first duty station (space surveillance console operator) and ending with EWD school at Tyndall.

Again, nothing "signed out" and not returned, etc. -- I was just envisioning in my head that when my time comes to go home, my wife or someone else would find this stuff and not know what to do with it . . . they'd likely pitch it out. So I was just thinking about how that would be for this stuff to end up in the landfill . . . but it sounds like that'll be okay.

Hey, thanks for your reply, I do appreciate it. I think my concerns emanated from all the stuff I did have to keep very close track of for the Plans & Tactics Shop up in Alaska, all the stuff I used as a BDT up there, and the stuff we all came in contact with in the squadrons.

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Attic Scrounging Complete

Post by Dago Redd » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am

I'd forgotten I still have some of the items described below. If anyone wants images of any of this stuff, I did scan them in for my own records here before they get any older (and any more faded, though they're still in pretty good shape considering most of it is 13 to 28 years old). So holler if you want them either emailed to you or uploaded here. Cheers!

"AWACS deflates 2 tires upon landing" (summary with 2 embedded photos)

"AWACS To The Rescue" (great stories of AWACS comm rescues of needy pilots, etc.)

AWACS Uncontrollable Fuel Dump (summary of the imbalanced landing that resulted in homes along the approach path getting sprinkled with jet fuel, etc.)

8-engine E-3 concept drawings (2) -- the concept never reached fruition, though

Soviet "Bear" intercept photos (5) {unmarked photos}

Soviet "Bear" H intercept photo (1) {IDF/57 FIS composite, includes sqdn logo}

Soviet "Badger" intercept photo (1) {unmarked photo}

I even stumbled across an old "Airman" magazine that features the first visit to American soil by Soviet Bear bombers; that cover is attached FYI.
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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by wildbill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:50 pm

I'd be more than interested in getting that stuff. Let me know how and when!

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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:56 pm

It's all ready to post here this afternoon . . . however, I really need a "warm fuzzy" that, after I post it, if you see anything that is questionable and should not be posted publicly, that you'll delete it and then email me at dagoredd@hughes.net so I don't post that anywhere else.

Call me Mr. Paranoid . . . okay?

Once I have your reply about this, and if it is the "warm fuzzY' that I need, then I'll gladly post that stuff right away. I'm referring to, of course, the a/c photos.

Thanks!

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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by wildbill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:10 pm

Copy all, Will Do!

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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:57 pm

Here is the first of two posts with these photos. Also, I posted the "Crew Dawg Decision Matrix" earlier in the "Images" Forum.
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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:00 pm

Here's the second post I mentioned.
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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:05 pm

One last comment . . . I did post the photo (in the Images forum) that you guys had taken with Jim Varney ("Vern") when you all were out in Vegas. I think that was another of the MANY trips I gave up to Harold Davis . . . because I don't smoke, drink or gamble, I'd always give up "the good trips" to him or others to enjoy.

But about that particular trip . . . "why didn't I go?" . . . "why didn't I go?" . . . "why didn't I go?" . . . etc. et al! That would have been GREAT to meet Ernest, but that is one regret that I have . . . know whut I mean?

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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by wildbill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:19 pm

Jimbo

Yep. We had fun on that Vegas trip andJim Varney was the topper! :D

Also Re: The uncontrolled fuel dump - I was on that flight. Ltc Jerry Cotton was the AC, Ltc Breedlove was the MCC and Capt Kim Olds was the SD. I of course was a 2Lt WD. I remember when were on final approach (our first one) some one on the ground called up and asked that the NAV go down in the forward lower lobe and pin the nose gear. He had never done that before but gamely went below. As we got to short final Ltc Cotton elected to abort because the NAV was still down in the lobe struggling with pinning the gear. So we went around dumping fuel all over MWC as we were landing runway 17. This time the landing was successful and the jolt of landing caused the fuel dump to stop. Then we rolled to a stop and egressed via the escape slides. Kim Olds went down the slide ahead of me and in her outstretched right hand she was holding her crew checklist and you guessed it! She smacked one of the firemen right in the head with it. When I got down he was still shaking his head try to figure out who sucker punched him. PDT_Armataz_01_05

So there was no confusion, well maybe a little on the NAV's part.

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Re: "Memorabilia" question

Post by Dago Redd » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:49 pm

That's a great memory! Whoa!

Yeah, I was on that flight too . . . the only unusual memory I have was the very strong smell of jet fuel and our all having to play "Dodge Ball" with the oncoming fire trucks!

Glad you enjoyed that snippet, cheers!

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